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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantoms and monsters

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radio

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where we explore the strange and the

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unexplained i'm your host lon strickler

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so tonight we have a mothman wing

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humanoid round table

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we have joining us first tobias whalen

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who's a passion fortian

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who has been actively investigating the

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unusual for over a decade the first

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several years of investigative career

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were spent

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as a mufon field investigator and

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following that he investigated

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independently prior to becoming the head

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writer and editor of the singular

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fortune society

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now tobias is a frequent guest on

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various podcasts and radio shows has

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contributed to several books on the

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paranormal and is often invited to speak

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at paranormal conferences and events he

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has also featured the small town

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monsters documentary

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tearing the skies in the series premiere

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of expedition x

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for his work investigating mothman

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sighings around lake michigan he and his

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wife emily have been involved in the

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lake michigan mothman investigation

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since an advent the spring of 2017.

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and recently published the book crown

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linking experience uh the late michigan

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mothman

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high strangest in the midwest his years

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as an investigator have served him best

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by illustrating that when it comes to

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the anomalous

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pre-turn natural and

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paranormal any answers he's found are

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still hopefully outnumbered by questions

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and you can find the singer 14 society

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at singular14.com

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manual navaret is the founder and

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curator of ufo clearing house as an

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inactive paranormal investigator

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he is currently one of the chief

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investigators of the chicago lake

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michigan mothman phenomena along with

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manuel has been interested in the

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paranormal since the age of 17

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and has had multiple sightings of ufos

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and recently of a winged humanoid at the

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international airport

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uh the website the website he found is

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ufo clearinghouse is a website dedicated

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to and committed to providing the most

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up-to-date information on recent ufo

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sightings reported alien abductions

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encrypted settings

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is designed as a place where information

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can be freely exchanged and accessed by

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for the reason of furthering the search

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for the truth and that can be ufo

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clearinghouse can be found at

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travis short is a native of virginia he

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trained and served earlier in life as an

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reading about the original events in the

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an in-depth investigation in 2003 that

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the university of virginia's college at

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the mothman chronicles

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it's a pleasure to be here thanks for

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well i think i've got what i'm going to

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phenomena in general

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this phenomenon for a long time now all

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whatever capacity

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out with travis

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you know much like you guys

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but my personal belief is we're not

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dealing with a cryptid and i and i've

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made that

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known on several different

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uh broadcasts and podcasts and things

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like that i do believe we're dealing

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with something that is either

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interdimensional or something that is

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spiritual in some component i i do

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could it be interdimensional and

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encrypted

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don't think it falls into the same

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category as say sasquatch bigfoot loch

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ness monster that that sort of thing i

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think we're dealing with something that

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is is totally unique

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that are being uh given uh in in its

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activity and in the the feelings that

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people have when they interact with

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um how about you manuel

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description of like a flesh and blood

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cryptid like you would like bigfoot or

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how many times did people just say this

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straight up disappeared uh in fact one

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of the recent sightings the guy says it

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flew up in the air and just

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something tells me it's either ethereal

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dimensional gates or some kind to

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jumping it out that or it has some

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unnatural ability to cloak itself um

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something really interesting i saw not

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too long ago about a is a documentary on

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sharks have kind of a dual camouflage so

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surface they blend in with the darkness

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underneath them with the water but if

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the light that shines from above so it

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adaptive camouflage it's able to do that

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um it's able to see us and and or make

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itself known or disappear right in front

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of us but i kind of think at the same

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time i agree with travis i mean it's not

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a flesh and blood creature or if it is

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able to jump in and out of this reality

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how about you tobias

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you know it's it's difficult to make any

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to this being or entity or or category

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of beings or whatever

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what i don't think it is

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what i actually think it it might be so

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travis and and manuel have been talking

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about i think that there

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sort of steer our thinking away from you

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know something easily uh

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of undiscovered biological species so

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some witnesses have described this thing

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as uh disappearing very suddenly you

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portals there are the the seemingly

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paranormal aspects uh like the glowing

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the uh feeling of fear or uh as though

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uh one is being probed uh people have

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talked about feeling like the thing

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basically just looked right through them

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you know could see into their soul

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that's that's not normal that's not

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something you would expect even people

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you know who run into a bear or

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something in in the woods that's not how

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different kind of fear um and so

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i think what whatever it is you know uh

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assuming that uh that we can trust the

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eyewitness testimony and it at this

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point you know i don't have much reason

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to to think that i can't

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then we really have to consider that

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what we're dealing with is something

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very very far outside of our current

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understanding

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yeah

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well i i think we can all agree

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that these are not indigenous beings

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i mean i mean they're not here

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all the time

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uh

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unless they're damn good hiders i mean i

302
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i you know i

303
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i kind of find i kind of find it hard to

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believe that they're here i mean of

305
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course with the sightings we've had

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even going back to um even going back to

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point pleasant those were fleeting

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settings for the most part though that

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thing in that being in in point pleasant

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made itself well known

311
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uh it was somewhat aggressive and uh and

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kind of stuck around for a longer period

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of time but would you know would take

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off

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uh and to see what's going on in around

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chicago and some of the other sites

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we've had around north america uh that

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these things

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they show and they show themselves and

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that's it i mean you know

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uh

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and i'll be honest with you i don't

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think any of the evidence that we have

324
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collected

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in recent years

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demonstrates something that is here all

327
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the time i don't know what you guys

328
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think about that

329
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uh

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do you think do you think there is a

331
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possibility that it's indigenous or

332
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i think

333
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that one's a is a tougher call to make

334
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you know you mentioned point pleasant

335
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going back to that you know that was a

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span of sightings over 13 months now

337
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the chicago signings right now we're

338
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getting pretty close they've been going

339
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on for how long

340
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oh my god what started in 2011 and with

341
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three

342
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so we're talking 11 years yeah so i mean

343
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these sightings have been going on much

344
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longer

345
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um i don't know if if they're if this is

346
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an indigenous

347
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entity uh to planet earth or if it is

348
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as you said this entity that that

349
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sometimes

350
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comes into our reality and i don't even

351
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know if they are intentionally coming

352
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into our reality

353
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i think sometimes they are i think point

354
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pleasant it was an intentional

355
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there was definitely intelligent intent

356
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in point pleasant

357
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it did it you know it showed up at

358
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multiple locations it chased a car there

359
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was

360
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an intent in those sightings

361
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um

362
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as far as it being indigenous to this

363
00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:51,839
world i don't know um

364
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that's a tough call

365
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what do you think men will

366
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i kind of agree with travis i mean

367
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they are not

368
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um as prevalent

369
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as you know other

370
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cryptids i mean look at uh the sasquatch

371
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i mean they've been known for centuries

372
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the native americans spoke of amino

373
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sasquatch i believe means man of the

374
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woods the old man of the woods or

375
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something like that

376
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um

377
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but so many

378
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uh

379
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native tribes from all over the world

380
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has talked about the sasquatch i mean

381
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you have the ring pending in indonesia

382
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you have the the yeti in in um

383
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tibet you know you have uh

384
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yowie you have you know just so many

385
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different variations of these uh

386
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creatures

387
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and they're all in the historical record

388
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because you know from past down through

389
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the native americans i mean almost every

390
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i would believe it'd be like anywhere

391
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between what 90 to almost every native

392
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american tribe has some kind of story

393
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that's sasquatch related

394
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um

395
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the flying creatures the flying

396
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humanoids they've been around

397
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i mean there's stories reports of them

398
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from you know

399
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you know the 1800s you know in germany

400
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uh they and

401
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you know there's sightings in vietnam by

402
00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:16,079
the american soldiers

403
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,160
um and not to also mention you have like

404
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:20,240
the flying you know entities like you

405
00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:21,120
know

406
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,120
aztec and mayan like quicksilver um

407
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and some of these other um

408
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:31,120
entities you know but they are not as

409
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:32,800
i would think i'm more

410
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:35,279
apt to believe that bigfoot is more

411
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,560
terrestrial

412
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,720
than these entities i mean these

413
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,880
entities seem to come in and out

414
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um disappear they don't make their

415
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,000
presence known

416
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,480
um their sightings have people have a

417
00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:48,240
bigfoot that lasts they can last you

418
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:51,040
know repeatedly you know for minutes you

419
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:53,120
know even hours these things i don't

420
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,880
think we've ever had sightings that

421
00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:57,680
lasted more than maybe a minute or two

422
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,959
um

423
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,959
yeah they're not very long and they

424
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:03,120
disappear so either they're shifting in

425
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:04,560
and out like travis said of our

426
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dimension in unintentionally and just

427
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:08,959
being seen or

428
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:10,240
there may be

429
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:12,079
again either able to camouflage

430
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,000
themselves so no one sees them or only

431
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,079
allowing themselves to be seen

432
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,240
for fleeting moments you know moments

433
00:16:20,949 --> 00:16:19,839
before they either shift back to their

434
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,959
reality

435
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,639
or just completely disappear all

436
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,880
together

437
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:26,560
can i pick you back real quick

438
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:28,880
just real quickly um because what man

439
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,199
was saying struck a chord

440
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,000
every culture has

441
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:36,959
encounters with and a belief in flying

442
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:38,160
entities

443
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,680
everyone

444
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,519
uh but they have never been viewed as

445
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:43,440
indigenous to this world they are always

446
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,440
coming from somewhere else right

447
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:48,160
manifesting themselves so i think he i

448
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:49,920
mean he hits on a really a really

449
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,880
important point there is that

450
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,440
while mothman and i still hate that term

451
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,839
uh and i'm i'm in i'm in media and i

452
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:00,399
hate the fact that they coined that term

453
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:02,560
we kind of got stuck of that we just got

454
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,710
as far as i'm concerned has been seen

455
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,400
for millennia

456
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:12,799
by every culture and every people that

457
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:15,439
exists on this planet but the entity

458
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,430
you're

459
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:33,190
oh muted well there's

460
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:34,799
there's the um off man at work

461
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,360
sabotaging my my yeah there we go

462
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:39,520
microphone naturally i'll i'll go ahead

463
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:40,640
and blame him

464
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:41,440
um

465
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,190
really consider that word

466
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:52,080
indigenous you know um

467
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:53,039
now

468
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,240
is it

469
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,080
do i think that

470
00:18:02,549 --> 00:17:59,200
these winged humanoids um exist

471
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,559
in the same way we do in the the same

472
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,679
spaces that that we do all the time

473
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:07,360
certainly not

474
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,440
but i i don't think that that rules out

475
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:12,720
them being

476
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:15,600
uh indigenous to this planet um you know

477
00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:18,160
if if you consider something like

478
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,000
uh

479
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,280
multi-dimensionality right so and and

480
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:23,520
when when i use the word dimension i i

481
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,320
really mean it for for for what it is

482
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,559
not referring to some you know uh

483
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:30,559
parallel universe or something but you

484
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:34,320
know as a uh in an aspect of the the

485
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,240
universe that you know you you either

486
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:38,160
are privy to or are not so as

487
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:39,919
three-dimensional beings

488
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,880
um you know we we have width and depth

489
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,720
and length and and that's how we

490
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:46,480
experience things now if you can imagine

491
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:47,600
something

492
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,799
that um was privy to more dimensions

493
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,720
like how they might interact with us

494
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:54,960
might be very similar to how we would

495
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,320
react to something that um only had two

496
00:19:02,630 --> 00:18:59,919
dimensions for instance so if you can

497
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,640
imagine a creature who's perfectly flat

498
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,320
right like they only have two dimensions

499
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,799
and here we are these these super beings

500
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,280
with three a whole other dimension and

501
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,360
how we would interact with them is we

502
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,760
would be able to enter

503
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,919
their dimension at which point they

504
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,679
could interact with us or at least

505
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,400
observe us or part of us

506
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,679
and withdraw ourselves uh at will and it

507
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,480
would seem like amazing magic to them

508
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,840
and they probably wouldn't be able to

509
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:29,440
wrap their heads around how or why we

510
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:32,559
were able to do it but that doesn't mean

511
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,880
that we aren't uh existing around them

512
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,520
all the time we're just not entering

513
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,919
like they're like a dimension that that

514
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:44,480
they're able to to perceive like we're

515
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,039
just not in a a dimension in in which

516
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,360
they also exist um

517
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,520
and so i think when you

518
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apply that

519
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:54,880
thinking to

520
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,120
um you know the the mothman problem

521
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,360
i think it allows for them to be

522
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:04,320
indigenous to the planet without

523
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,400
having to exist um on it in the same way

524
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,480
that that we do and i think

525
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,320
you know when when you look at the the

526
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,720
history of of winged beings in in

527
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:16,480
culture um

528
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then

529
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,799
you know

530
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,360
it would be fair to say that it's

531
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,440
possible that that they could have have

532
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:25,679
been with us forever frankly

533
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,320
um and and if so maybe that's how they

534
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:31,440
uh exist alongside us without uh without

535
00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:39,350
well

536
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:46,789
i uh i don't know i mean i

537
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,630
you know we we we've had some pretty

538
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,559
interesting

539
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:53,679
developments with our investigation over

540
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,720
the past six months or so where we

541
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,840
have had possible interaction with these

542
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,480
beings um and

543
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,840
manuel has had that and i think tobias

544
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,840
believes he may have had it

545
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,440
at to some degree

546
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,000
uh we have two other members of the team

547
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,840
who have had this

548
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,360
interaction uh

549
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:20,000
and for more indications that these are

550
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,200
some type of

551
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,440
ultraterrestrial being

552
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:25,360
that um

553
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,120
is making its way onto our earth plane

554
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,280
now

555
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,360
do we still believe that is that

556
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:35,120
something that

557
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,240
you know

558
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,039
even though it hasn't been as to the

559
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,280
degree it had been before

560
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:43,760
uh do we still believe that that's very

561
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,200
possible and uh

562
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:48,799
do you think it's still

563
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,950
i honestly think it is something that's

564
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,919
still

565
00:22:17,750 --> 00:21:56,640
a

566
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,760
demonic um

567
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,080
you know um i had a very interesting

568
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,520
conversation with not somebody not too

569
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,360
long ago who was saying that um

570
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,919
maybe it was angelic because they did

571
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,000
cite that you know what you see in

572
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,480
christianity is portraying of angels is

573
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,200
not exactly what you know they exactly

574
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,520
look like right um

575
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,960
some of them are very different

576
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,200
especially the upper angels

577
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,000
um but i kind of think that

578
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:44,480
this is still an avenida still there for

579
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,080
possibility you know or exploring i mean

580
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,159
uh we had a lot of extensive contact

581
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,760
with them everybody a lot of people on

582
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:53,919
the team have had extensive contact and

583
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,720
you know experiences myself included uh

584
00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:59,919
tobias included you know

585
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,120
it could be that they may be you know

586
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,200
you know backed off or kind of cooled or

587
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,039
healed a little bit and

588
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,520
oh and maybe this is just you know

589
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,520
we're seeing them revamp again or you

590
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,840
know revamp their activity again

591
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,840
but it could be anything i mean it could

592
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,840
be still be you know angelic demonic

593
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,559
extraterrestrial ultra dimensional um

594
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,039
even ultra-terrestrial you know if you

595
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:25,280
really want to go down that rabbit hole

596
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:26,080
um

597
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,880
the object

598
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,360
for investigators like us is to you know

599
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,840
peel back the layers and try to expose

600
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,480
it and try to you know get to an answer

601
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
um

602
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,200
you know even

603
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,279
oh you know let's say extraterrestrial

604
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,880
look at look at um

605
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,000
um

606
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,840
so many reports especially if you read

607
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,440
it if you're really into like the dolce

608
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,480
reports

609
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,400
on adultery sightings and stuff you know

610
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,480
you so many reptilians

611
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,640
many of them called dragos

612
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,480
which are upper echelon

613
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,159
you know royalty

614
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,440
um

615
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,679
kind of cast but they have wings and

616
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,600
they have the ability to fly

617
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,640
um

618
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:07,600
you know

619
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,600
gargles have been around their winged

620
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,120
creatures that have been with us since

621
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,200
basically the dawn of time

622
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,760
um how do we not know that any of these

623
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,039
things you know

624
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,799
it's maybe this is what we're seeing

625
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,279
it's a modern day version of it possibly

626
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,640
you know we got a question here from

627
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,760
android purity uh which kind of ties

628
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,760
into this if cryptids like mothman and

629
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,480
dogman are coming from another dimension

630
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,480
then do you all believe they are from

631
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,760
the same or different dimensions well

632
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,960
i i can say from some of the information

633
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,279
that we have received

634
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,640
uh and this is coming through our team

635
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,120
members jennifer and bernadette

636
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,640
um

637
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:51,679
that they

638
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,880
do reside on it on a linear plane a

639
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,480
linear dimension

640
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:58,720
or many other cryptids that are

641
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,400
described on our airplane reside

642
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,840
now

643
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,000
we have no proof of that we just this is

644
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,400
just what we're being told

645
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,120
but uh i i think there's a strong

646
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,120
possibility that may very well be you

647
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,720
know i've been i've said for you a long

648
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,679
time

649
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,919
and you know others may be starting to

650
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,760
become more open minded about this that

651
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,640
i think bigfoot and other cryptids

652
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,400
are

653
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,480
some type interdimensional being to some

654
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:29,520
degree at some point um

655
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,950
well i think you know especially when

656
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:37,440
you look at some of the the sightings of

657
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,279
sasquatch and bigfoot they do have

658
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,120
non-corporeal

659
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,360
traits they they sometimes they're seen

660
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,279
and then they immediately disappear

661
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,080
um you know on the the show that i was

662
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,080
on with with kev baker and bill bean and

663
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,000
derek sturman we had a couple of

664
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,240
bigfoot sightings that came on and

665
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,000
they'd watched a bigfoot actually walk

666
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,640
through a fence not destroy it but just

667
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
walk through the the actual material

668
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:05,279
onto the other side

669
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,159
um

670
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,400
so i think all of these

671
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,919
these entities do exist uh you know as

672
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,600
you said are they all kind of in the

673
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,760
same zip in the same interdimensional

674
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:17,520
zip code i don't know about that but

675
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,039
they all exist in that in that realm and

676
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,720
going back to what manuel said you know

677
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,440
about angelic demonic

678
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,760
you know again i think that is

679
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,159
humanity's way especially

680
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,039
from a judeo-christian ideological

681
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,640
theological

682
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,320
sense to put a framework around

683
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,480
something so i think that what we call

684
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,080
angels and

685
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,200
may be what the the indigenous people of

686
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:45,679
this planet other cultures other other

687
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,039
countries have called other things uh

688
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,679
quetzalcoatl fiery serpent the winged

689
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,520
serpent that brought you know brought

690
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,880
knowledge

691
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,039
in in the judeo-christian standpoint you

692
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,640
got the seraphim which are the fiery

693
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,799
serpents that fly and and

694
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,640
and are

695
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,559
messengers and you've got the cherubim

696
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,360
which are winged entities as well so i

697
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,320
think

698
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,720
a lot of what we the four of us and

699
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,520
other individuals are doing is basically

700
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,200
tearing away

701
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,000
preconceived ideas of what these

702
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,960
entities are and trying to reframe that

703
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:22,720
in a

704
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,520
to any one culture any one religion any

705
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,240
one people but it's the incident itself

706
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,799
it's the entities themselves

707
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,720
uh we have another question from david

708
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,240
jones locker and

709
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,159
he's asked what do you guys think

710
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,000
mothman wants you know that's a question

711
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,840
i think we've all been battling with for

712
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,120
a long time

713
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,750
personally uh i i think that these

714
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,720
beings have been among us for a long

715
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,279
time maybe not as much now as at one

716
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,720
point

717
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,799
uh and uh

718
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,720
and that's why it's great having travis

719
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,799
here because he's ordained minister and

720
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,240
he was

721
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,120
you know

722
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,200
graduated from theology

723
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,760
backing and um

724
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,159
i i think the uh

725
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,480
from what we have heard and and

726
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,000
understand that these beings that we're

727
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,080
experiencing or people experiencing

728
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:26,789
may have had issues with the monotheist

729
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,720
uh believers in which actually ended up

730
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,039
having them

731
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,520
being persecuted or removed you know

732
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,279
they've gone back into the shadows or

733
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:39,120
into the other dimension

734
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,080
um

735
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,480
i don't know what they really want can

736
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:44,799
then you guys give a give any thoughts

737
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:52,070
boy that's uh that's certainly the the

738
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,480
question isn't that um you know i've

739
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,080
my opinion on that as uh has has

740
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,480
fluctuated will

741
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,200
will say you know uh quite a bit over

742
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,039
these these past several years you know

743
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,480
at first

744
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,159
the fear

745
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,200
seemed so prevalent in the the sightings

746
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,720
that i i couldn't help but think that

747
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,120
that was the point you know

748
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,440
for whatever reason i i really couldn't

749
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,039
wrap my head around

750
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,440
what else uh these entities would be

751
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,600
gaining out of of interacting with

752
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,120
people because it it certainly doesn't

753
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,840
seem as though they need to

754
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,559
uh they they should be able to

755
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,679
avoid um in encountering anybody

756
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:38,880
if if if that's their goal but

757
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,240
instead uh you you seem to have these

758
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,640
things showing up um almost

759
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,960
intentionally terrifying people and and

760
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,480
then vanishing

761
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,600
um

762
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,200
you know and

763
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,039
as time went on

764
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720
i i guess i

765
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,960
i still keep that sort of in the the

766
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,679
back of my mind you know but but i i

767
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,559
don't know that it's the entire point

768
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:04,159
you know it could be the point of

769
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,279
particular

770
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:08,799
uh interactions because they they have

771
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,720
some motive for scaring people off um

772
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,600
now

773
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,320
the reason that i i'm starting to to

774
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,840
sort of think in that direction now is

775
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,120
um based on some uh spirit box sessions

776
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,960
that that we've had recently

777
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,919
uh my wife emily and i

778
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:30,399
and in our most recent one

779
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,279
um

780
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,960
i uh i intentionally tried to to contact

781
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,600
the the beings referred to as the unseen

782
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,559
ones

783
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,360
uh who you know may be responsible for

784
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,279
for some of the the winged humanoid

785
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,720
sightings uh around lake michigan and um

786
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,799
we certainly seem to be in contact with

787
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,720
with something it was an interesting

788
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,159
conversation

789
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,679
and um

790
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,120
during it

791
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,360
uh i got the idea

792
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,399
that

793
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,120
the the narrative being spun to me was

794
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,120
was more or less that

795
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,440
um they

796
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,880
have been present

797
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,640
you know during some of our other

798
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,240
experiences so

799
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,240
uh you know i i know we've talked uh

800
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,919
considerably about the the kettle

801
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,840
moraine state forest for instance and

802
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,679
and uh the experiences we've had up

803
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,559
there

804
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:20,799
and so um you know they they claim to

805
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,679
have been present for some of those um

806
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,360
maybe all of them

807
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:26,799
and uh

808
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,399
and then went on to talk about um

809
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,960
certain well what i got out of it you

810
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,440
know the the the narrat again the

811
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,360
narrative that seemed to be presented to

812
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,720
me you know

813
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,080
it's possible that i was i was

814
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,840
misinterpreting something but this is

815
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,399
what i believed it to be and you know

816
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,720
going on to talk about uh you know

817
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,960
potentially certain areas being more

818
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,720
open you know the kettle moraine state

819
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,320
forest being one of those

820
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,120
apparently and then um talking about

821
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,880
some kind of risk

822
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,279
and and that was

823
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,799
to me is something that they really

824
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,880
stuck out because i thought about it and

825
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,240
i thought okay well if there are

826
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,399
specific areas say

827
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,960
that are of interest you know to these

828
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:10,799
these beings or or entities and there's

829
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,600
some level of risk involved you know be

830
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,240
it to them or or be in us

831
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,440
you know wouldn't it make a certain

832
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,559
amount of sense um if anybody were to

833
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,039
wander into one of these areas

834
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,600
especially if it happened to be at uh at

835
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,960
some particular time that was

836
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,519
particularly high risk for them to just

837
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,360
want to scare people off you know be

838
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,480
like well you shouldn't be here right

839
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:35,279
now and and the best way to get rid of

840
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:36,080
you

841
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,279
um

842
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,600
and then the only other you know really

843
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,159
interesting thing um that that stuck out

844
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,120
to me during that particular

845
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,120
conversation was

846
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,799
um

847
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,440
big water was was was mentioned which is

848
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,279
kind of funny if if you think about it

849
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,760
because it seems like a nonsense term

850
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,440
but you know

851
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:02,960
lake michigan is is is big water right

852
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,320
like that's that's a hell of a lake um

853
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,440
and so

854
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,600
it seemed to me that there was some kind

855
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,000
of connection with that well you know

856
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,640
and that's something like when i started

857
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,559
referring to the the lake michigan

858
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,559
mothman literally lake michigan was just

859
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:19,919
a convenient

860
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,039
uh uh geographic location that seemed to

861
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,960
sort of be the epicenter but not

862
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,720
necessarily directly related to

863
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,240
everything happening

864
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,559
around it but i maybe there's there's

865
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:33,200
more to it than that

866
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,350
well i think this is a good point to

867
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,919
start going into what's been going on

868
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,360
lately

869
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:46,159
uh now most people are familiar with

870
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,039
what

871
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,960
we've been dealing with

872
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,360
with these sightings and around chicago

873
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,279
especially around o'er

874
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,799
so let me um

875
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,039
and travis i know you can bear with us

876
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,039
here but you're familiar what's going on

877
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,200
with these settings so um

878
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,880
uh anyway

879
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:04,840
manuel you've been receiving these

880
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,270
i don't know what he will flap the

881
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,079
sightings yeah with a flap

882
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,760
yeah i think we've had five of them

883
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:20,560
within the last three weeks

884
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,240
i had one years ago from the same area

885
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:25,919
now for those who don't know where

886
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,720
bensonville is southwest of o'hare

887
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,320
international

888
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:32,639
it's about a mile

889
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,399
and a half or a little bit more from

890
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,679
the cargo area or the cemetery at o'hare

891
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,119
where a lot of these other sightings

892
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,560
have been

893
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,159
culminating at

894
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,560
so uh there may be a direct connection

895
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,440
there but anyway go start off with what

896
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,359
has been going on

897
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,440
in bensonville and what people have been

898
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,040
reporting

899
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,520
well i mean we had the uh the one that

900
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,200
first started was the one with the

901
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,119
gentleman who was a

902
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,880
truck driver he worked for a company

903
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,280
that did a um

904
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,760
kind of a construction rental company

905
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,560
they rent out like man lifts and

906
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:13,040
portable generators and

907
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:14,839
you know

908
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,400
um loaders stuff like that and his job

909
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:20,000
is that he's a truck driver he takes his

910
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,880
stuff

911
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,280
drops off the construction site and when

912
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,880
they're done with it they he goes and

913
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:26,240
picks it up and brings it back to the

914
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,960
yard well he was um bringing one back um

915
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,440
it was already nighttime and he had just

916
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,079
arrived at the facility had dropped off

917
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,599
the uh

918
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:39,119
the um

919
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,560
the man lift um basically he says it's

920
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,280
it's just um he was raising an rg in a

921
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,599
removable gooseneck so basically unhooks

922
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:51,119
from the trailer the trailer becomes a

923
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,000
ramp

924
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,480
drives it off hooks back up and was

925
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,079
getting ready to you know take the truck

926
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:58,960
and park it when he saw movement and

927
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,079
toward the back of the facility they

928
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,599
have uh

929
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:06,000
storage containers basically they're

930
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,200
they're uh

931
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,359
oversea containers which you see like

932
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,680
all over the multi-modal containers but

933
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,680
they have them they had bottom and use

934
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,920
them for storage um

935
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,160
so he went back there to check because i

936
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,000
mean they have you know

937
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,079
literally millions of dollars of tools

938
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,839
you know not only did they rent you know

939
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,000
construction tools they rent like you

940
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:28,240
know jackhammers and all sorts of other

941
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,560
stuff so desktop is used for storage um

942
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,000
and he just wanted to make sure no one

943
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,760
was back there trying to get into one of

944
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,760
these containers and steal

945
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,480
um he said he saw a movement and he

946
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,800
starts yelling out you know i don't know

947
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,400
who you are you know i'm going to call

948
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,320
the police if you don't get out of here

949
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,720
um that's when he was confronted with a

950
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,440
seven foot tall winged humanoid

951
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,800
but he says the weird thing was it was

952
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,480
chirping at him

953
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,240
it started with chirps been clicks and

954
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,079
been chirping and

955
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,359
been just rapid fire clicks um

956
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,960
i believe this is the one that he said

957
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,200
that he was a history buff um he was

958
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,800
comparing it to uh

959
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,359
in world war ii the um allied especially

960
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,839
the airborne had uh little clickers

961
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,440
little brass clickers that they carried

962
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,040
around that's how they communicated with

963
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,119
one another they had uh

964
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,520
you know a set of predetermined uh

965
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,000
clicks that's how they id themselves and

966
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,680
were able to communicate

967
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,560
uh he called it a man bat

968
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,720
which i was kind of really hesitant i

969
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,000
mean being a

970
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,560
dc fan i mean i was kind of hesitant to

971
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,320
call it a man bat but that's what he

972
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,359
called it

973
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,400
um

974
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,880
he says it stood up and started clicking

975
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,839
at him

976
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,119
and then

977
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,040
you know seven foot talked in large

978
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,079
wings he says it took off into the air

979
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,400
as soon as he you know he had grabbed

980
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,760
what's called a mag light which is a

981
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,440
very long thin

982
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:54,400
um

983
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,720
police carry them they're not not only

984
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,119
can be used as a uh

985
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,880
as a flashlight but they can also double

986
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:04,640
as a baton they carry a lot of half to

987
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,359
him

988
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,400
um

989
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,079
and he started approaching and he shined

990
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,599
the light at it and the thing took off

991
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,560
on him

992
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,160
um

993
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,640
so he was scared you know he ran he said

994
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:16,160
he practically sprinted back to the

995
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:17,200
truck

996
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,599
parked and got you know pretty much got

997
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:23,200
the hell out of there

998
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,320
um

999
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,480
i believe a few days later we had the

1000
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:28,079
second sighting

1001
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:33,839
i want to say two to three blocks away

1002
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,800
from the facility um in an almost

1003
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,760
diagonal direction going to the from you

1004
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,960
know

1005
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,839
south to west um and it was seen on the

1006
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:45,920
same day as the previous setting yes

1007
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,880
exactly uh right around the same time uh

1008
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,960
somebody was coming home from work

1009
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,800
uh she had pulled in her driveway got

1010
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,240
out of the car she was walking toward

1011
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,320
the house and she kept hearing

1012
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,480
like chirping you know

1013
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,920
and she looked up and she saw a

1014
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,320
what she described as a thin man with

1015
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:07,280
wings uh fly over

1016
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,480
she said that

1017
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,400
it was just high enough above the trees

1018
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,480
and the houses to clear them

1019
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,599
um flew over her house across the street

1020
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,839
uh where another neighbor saw it and

1021
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,920
then just flew off into the night

1022
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,800
um

1023
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,119
and if you draw a diagonal line it's

1024
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,760
almost just a straight shot so

1025
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,920
what i'm thinking we saw was maybe you

1026
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,720
know

1027
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,520
same being being seen by somebody else

1028
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:32,960
um

1029
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,280
and i do have to mention you went out

1030
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,520
there and investigated and um

1031
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,079
oh yeah the chicago police were kind of

1032
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,440
interested in what you were doing

1033
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,960
because the benjaminville police yeah

1034
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,160
yeah they

1035
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,760
someone called me in and said i was

1036
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,599
casing houses

1037
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,160
and because i'm out there with a camera

1038
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,760
and just taking

1039
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,200
you know

1040
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,280
photos and looking around and they must

1041
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,800
have thought i was casing a house or

1042
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,320
something and i guess that was

1043
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,319
understandable once i explained it to

1044
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,000
them they kind of understood they just

1045
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,079
told me you know be careful and

1046
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,480
you know i kind of wrapped up and left

1047
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,680
um

1048
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,440
so didn't want them thinking i was

1049
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,200
trying to break into somebody's house or

1050
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,040
something but um

1051
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,560
the um

1052
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,240
a couple of days later we had the

1053
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,400
incident with the couple it was two

1054
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,119
witnesses they were out for a walk um i

1055
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,200
don't know if you know you know tobias

1056
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,839
can can you know

1057
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,839
vouch for me but lately we had like a

1058
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,800
light um string of late season cold

1059
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:36,000
snaps

1060
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,960
and

1061
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,319
eventually the weather started just

1062
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,000
turning warm and everyone just started

1063
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,760
going out so

1064
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,520
they were out you know enjoying

1065
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,680
themselves you know enjoying the dope

1066
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,680
not having to wear coats and

1067
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,640
jackets and everything out there um

1068
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:51,440
so

1069
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,880
they were by the elementary school um

1070
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:57,839
they said that they had um

1071
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,880
heard the same thing chirping clicking

1072
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:01,920
um

1073
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:05,440
they saw a person on top of the school

1074
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,960
um of the building itself and

1075
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,040
he had they caught it as they were

1076
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,880
spreading open its wings

1077
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,400
and just

1078
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,520
jumped

1079
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,720
basically

1080
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,560
took a leap off the building and flew

1081
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:21,359
off over the playground across the field

1082
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,240
you know

1083
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,240
and into the night so

1084
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,920
um it was

1085
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,480
dusk so when the sighting happened so

1086
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:30,480
they were able to still see the the

1087
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:31,359
object

1088
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,359
um flew right over the top of them um

1089
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,960
scared it scared the laughing living

1090
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,599
daylights out of them um so much so the

1091
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,280
second witness did not want to talk

1092
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,440
about it he did not want to even deal

1093
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,520
with it um

1094
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,079
they were um the first witness was very

1095
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,760
you know forthcoming but they said it

1096
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,000
was a very scary experience

1097
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,440
um

1098
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,480
and then

1099
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,560
um just this week

1100
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:58,640
we've had a couple of sightings um the

1101
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,560
first one was an amazon driver um out

1102
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,119
doing his deliveries um

1103
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,800
he said he had dropped off some packages

1104
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,119
of the house was walking back to the van

1105
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,200
when um he again started hearing

1106
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,839
clicking and chirping and this is what's

1107
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,160
tying all of them together not only the

1108
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,240
basic area which is

1109
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,800
i want to say within a mile and a half

1110
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,480
you know area

1111
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,079
uh where all these sightings are

1112
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,760
happening which are right on the end of

1113
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:27,040
the airport

1114
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,319
um

1115
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,200
but

1116
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,960
they are they

1117
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,280
every encounter with this entity lately

1118
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,440
has all been the same thing

1119
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:36,400
you know

1120
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,359
um

1121
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,440
but the clicking and the chirping is

1122
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,200
something completely different yeah

1123
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,720
that's something i don't think we've had

1124
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,319
experience with at all with these

1125
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,760
settings yeah and you know people

1126
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,280
have always said they know it's looking

1127
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,520
right at them and chirping clicking

1128
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,560
um almost makes me kind of think like it

1129
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,400
might be

1130
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,640
either a form of communication or maybe

1131
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,040
um kind of like how dolphins use a

1132
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,119
clicking sound to

1133
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,520
location yeah kind of be able to see and

1134
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:11,280
determine what something is in front of

1135
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,319
them uh

1136
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,000
humpbacks are very well known oh now

1137
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,359
humpbacks i'm trying sperm whales are

1138
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,520
known to do that that's how they hunt

1139
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,599
uh in the depths of the ocean

1140
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,560
but

1141
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,760
uh this thing was on top of a house

1142
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,640
it was looking straight at him when he

1143
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,680
saw it and scared the bejesus out of him

1144
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,160
um he says this thing just took straight

1145
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,800
off in the air and just basically

1146
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,480
disappeared

1147
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,760
um

1148
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,280
he was saying he was trying to look

1149
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,880
around look around trying to find him

1150
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,560
maybe it went behind the trees he says

1151
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,560
it just disappeared

1152
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,720
on him just completely out of sight he

1153
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,720
walked back to his truck kept looking

1154
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
around got in the truck and left we're

1155
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,160
still looking around never saw anything

1156
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,520
else again

1157
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,640
um

1158
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,560
and then the final sighting

1159
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,599
was the one that um i actually was at

1160
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,760
this afternoon uh

1161
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,119
in the area just to do some field

1162
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,119
investigating i will probably be going

1163
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,240
back with my son tomorrow with it but it

1164
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,480
was a um

1165
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,800
father and a daughter setting up outside

1166
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,040
they were setting up the patio you know

1167
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,480
putting the barbecue grill out and

1168
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,599
everything

1169
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,480
getting ready for some events

1170
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,960
they looked up and they saw the daughter

1171
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,800
said that they she pulled their

1172
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,920
attention there were three flying um

1173
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,440
beings um

1174
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:32,079
he described them as men with wings

1175
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,040
um

1176
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,079
that were about 60 to 70 feet up from

1177
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,119
they were just circling um he described

1178
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,800
it in the report as circling like

1179
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,000
buzzards

1180
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:44,880
um but he said that these were

1181
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:48,240
distinctly uh human shaped

1182
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,280
objects

1183
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,960
um

1184
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,720
the daughter was able to get a short

1185
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,040
video and some pictures which uh i

1186
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,760
submitted to the team as well to the uh

1187
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,000
to the website so if you want to go see

1188
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,440
them uh they're either gonna be on

1189
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,079
phantomsmonsters.com

1190
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:05,680
we got him here so i think vincent will

1191
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:09,280
put her up in a minute yeah um

1192
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,240
he said

1193
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,520
it was kind of funny here saying that

1194
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,520
i'm not an electric i'm an electrician

1195
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,599
i'm not a photographer he was trying his

1196
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,440
best i'm guessing they were using a cell

1197
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,560
phone

1198
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,200
uh so they weren't able to get like

1199
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,680
great detail but it's still something

1200
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,200
um

1201
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:28,160
the thing was when in speaking with him

1202
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,440
um

1203
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:32,160
this gentleman sits in almost direct

1204
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,040
line

1205
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,880
about a mile and a half from the runways

1206
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,880
of of uh o'hare

1207
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,960
um that's why i went out there today to

1208
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,680
check the area and as i was telling you

1209
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:43,839
guys i i worked in the area when i first

1210
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,200
started you know my career um that area

1211
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,040
is where the

1212
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,720
the planes are coming in on their final

1213
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:52,480
approach to o'hare

1214
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,040
they are very slow low and loud um

1215
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,680
i mean we're talking jumbo jets and and

1216
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,160
whatnot there is no way somebody can

1217
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,000
describe what these are on the uh screen

1218
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:09,920
with um a let's say uh 777 flying over

1219
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,880
your head um they rattle everything

1220
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,440
around there and this is like

1221
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,079
i think the the cue for o'hara on a busy

1222
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,240
day is like 45 seconds apart from one

1223
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,880
another so as soon as one's landing and

1224
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,319
getting off the runway the next one's

1225
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,240
already on the final approach

1226
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,560
um he says he's lived there for i

1227
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,560
believe it's a little over 10 years in

1228
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,960
that house so he's used to the planes

1229
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,119
flying overhead but he says they're so

1230
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,040
low and slow that you can see great

1231
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,280
details you know you can actually see

1232
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,319
you know

1233
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,920
individual pieces of the plane and

1234
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,520
everything it's just no way you're going

1235
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,000
to confuse that with uh

1236
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
these objects these objects were 60 70

1237
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,920
feet up in the air

1238
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,560
they were small they were you know

1239
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,400
circling around there's

1240
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,839
no way somebody's ever going to be

1241
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,880
trying that i don't even think

1242
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,240
parachutists

1243
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,359
get that close to each other um

1244
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,280
and you would have seen a parachutist no

1245
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,599
one's gonna

1246
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,280
the position where they were at would

1247
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,560
have put them directly over the

1248
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,240
expressway

1249
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,480
i don't think i'm anyone crazy enough to

1250
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,680
even try

1251
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,680
it's residential neighborhoods on both

1252
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,440
sides of the expressway

1253
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,720
um

1254
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,440
so

1255
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,040
parachuting into that area would have

1256
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,720
just been crazy

1257
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:23,440
so

1258
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,680
him um

1259
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,359
you know he did say he was open to

1260
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:31,040
speaking with him i

1261
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,160
um

1262
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,520
you know i don't tell him i was going to

1263
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,720
put him in contact with some of the

1264
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,880
other investigators he was very open

1265
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,760
about it um he was just straightforward

1266
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,640
you know he's he says that um you know i

1267
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,200
saw what i saw he's like um the pictures

1268
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,119
aren't great but you know we got what we

1269
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,760
could and this is you know

1270
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,680
a good thing i mean teenagers always

1271
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,359
have their phones in their hands and i

1272
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,720
know mine does

1273
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,280
um it's practically surgically implanted

1274
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,000
to his hands so you know this thing is

1275
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,599
um

1276
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,200
a stroke of luck she was able to get

1277
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,400
pictures and a short video of it but

1278
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,160
even though some it's still something

1279
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:09,839
and it's and it definitely shows that

1280
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,599
this is a uh not a plane of any kind

1281
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,559
um it could still be a bird it could

1282
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,040
still be a group of birds um

1283
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,599
but um i'm more i have to believe that

1284
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:24,079
you know maybe he did see something that

1285
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,160
um was beyond his explanation

1286
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,960
oh sure yeah well i mean

1287
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,880
the thing is when i was reading that

1288
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,680
that sighting um

1289
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,440
report you know once once you sent it

1290
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,359
over and looking at the the images and

1291
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,640
everything i was really reminded of

1292
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,680
nothing

1293
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,440
more than

1294
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:46,079
the pilsen sighting from 2018 where you

1295
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,839
had the guy bicycling to work and you

1296
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,040
know he saw

1297
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,520
this weird thing in the air and he got a

1298
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,839
bunch of gopro uh footage because he had

1299
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,920
a gopro camera attached to his bicycle

1300
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,760
helmet which was awesome

1301
00:49:01,589 --> 00:49:00,079
yeah i wish everybody did that and uh

1302
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,599
you know i talked to him i know lon

1303
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,000
talked to him uh we were both in

1304
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,240
agreement that that

1305
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,520
this guy was completely forthright like

1306
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,240
he was describing his authentic

1307
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,640
experience when he talked about seeing

1308
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:16,960
what he described as either a giant bat

1309
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,079
or a man in a wingstop you know but like

1310
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,480
we we we got that footage from him he

1311
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,640
was honestly he was so

1312
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,800
forthcoming with that that he mailed me

1313
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,359
the sd card like the original sd card

1314
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,920
like this guy had nothing to hide

1315
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:32,720
but

1316
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,160
we got that footage and we we blew it up

1317
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,040
and it was a bird like it was definitely

1318
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,640
a bird i think it was something big like

1319
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,960
a great blue heron or something probably

1320
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,079
but 110 percent it was a burden so what

1321
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,079
i'm reading they're citing i don't think

1322
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,520
these people are lying i don't think

1323
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,880
that at all

1324
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,240
um

1325
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,720
but i do think it's possible that uh

1326
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,640
that the actual explanation for their

1327
00:50:03,670 --> 00:49:59,200
sighting is something similar to what we

1328
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,680
saw out of out of pilsen in 2018.

1329
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,359
kind of lacking the other paranormal

1330
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,079
stuff you know like the it's it's like

1331
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,040
daytime and and and there isn't you know

1332
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,880
any of the other paranormal aspects i

1333
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,440
think that that we really look for um in

1334
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:17,119
the uh

1335
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,400
the more

1336
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,599
you know otherworldly profile of these

1337
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,200
sightings you know what i mean now you

1338
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,599
know what'll be interesting

1339
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,200
if we start getting

1340
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,440
our hearing reports out of a hair people

1341
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,440
saying they're seeing ufo activity over

1342
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,920
here it starts looking like what he had

1343
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,359
captured

1344
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,040
well and that's i was thinking the exact

1345
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,720
same thing that image actually looks

1346
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,760
more like some of the more recent uap

1347
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,680
footage yeah

1348
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,160
than it does anything else yeah

1349
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,160
and we've had we've had crab sightings

1350
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,160
with some of these reports

1351
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:52,400
uh we had the uh

1352
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:58,950
plus we had the um

1353
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,800
security guard that that had the uh the

1354
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,760
the uh v-shaped craft along with the

1355
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,960
siding as well so um we also had the one

1356
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,680
of montrose harbor and uh the one that

1357
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,960
was reported to moop under where they

1358
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,359
saw a green orb

1359
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,720
um

1360
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,800
flying across the horizon

1361
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,680
um

1362
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,839
just after seeing a sighting of a bowing

1363
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:23,119
humanoid

1364
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:24,319
so

1365
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:25,280
um

1366
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,400
i think

1367
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:29,440
whatever it was i mean it's it's

1368
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,240
i mean i'm not an expert i can't uh go

1369
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,319
in there and tell you if it was you know

1370
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,079
photoshop but i mean i would think that

1371
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,319
it's it's kind of hard to do that with a

1372
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,559
cell phone i mean yeah

1373
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,240
these things it shows that there is

1374
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,480
something there i mean

1375
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,079
cell phones don't have exactly the

1376
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,760
greatest um

1377
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,440
resolution unless you're talking like

1378
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,839
higher-end phones like the iphones than

1379
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,599
your iphones or something like that it's

1380
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,359
always frustrating when you get a shot

1381
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,359
like that and trying to resume up on it

1382
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,640
hoping to god you're going to have

1383
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,319
something there it's going to be

1384
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,160
definitive and it just

1385
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,079
never works out we got a question from

1386
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,680
scott baker and i'm going to throw this

1387
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,079
at travis for his opinion

1388
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,880
how come you think these monsters or in

1389
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:13,680
our case mothman or wing beings have

1390
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,710
good question especially the glowing red

1391
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,520
glowing red uh as opposed i mean

1392
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:25,280
because the way people describe these

1393
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,400
things are

1394
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:29,520
it's not reflective it's more projected

1395
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,559
light

1396
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,359
yes and i know when i had my encounter

1397
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:35,920
back in 88 it was the same thing

1398
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,599
it was a projected light

1399
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,880
what are your what do you think the

1400
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,640
reason behind that is

1401
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,559
well

1402
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,280
sure i get that one uh

1403
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:48,880
give it to the guy give it to the guy

1404
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,549
no um

1405
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,079
you know i think there's there's there's

1406
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,680
different ways to look at this you know

1407
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,880
real quickly one of the things i was

1408
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,800
going to point out when manuel was

1409
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,040
talking the the way that the

1410
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,440
the eyewitnesses in in the most recent

1411
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,079
sightings described this this entity are

1412
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,680
almost identical to the way that linda

1413
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,440
scarberry described her sightings right

1414
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,359
a tall thin muscular

1415
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,200
man with wings

1416
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,800
those were her exact words like i said

1417
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,960
that's why i hate the misnomer mothman

1418
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:21,200
there's nothing moth-like insect-like

1419
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,240
about it

1420
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,520
uh the glowing red eyes have always been

1421
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,839
part of this

1422
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
this history

1423
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,040
and

1424
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,720
i think possibly because

1425
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,800
these entities

1426
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,000
are coming from another dimension

1427
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,559
uh there's a different energy about them

1428
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:44,800
than there there is about us you know we

1429
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,160
all as humans have different eye colors

1430
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,200
uh these entities that you know

1431
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,000
seem to always have this glowing red

1432
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,920
this glowing red eye and and on your

1433
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,760
right uh you know a lot of people tried

1434
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,599
to describe it away as being reflective

1435
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,400
but the eyewitnesses never describe it

1436
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,040
as reflective it is always emanating

1437
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,160
from within these beings right and i

1438
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,480
think that's because these beings are a

1439
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,800
higher energy frequency a higher energy

1440
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,800
level than what we are

1441
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,359
as human beings

1442
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,359
well i i tell you that

1443
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,119
they have not always been read though

1444
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,000
i'd say 95 of the eye colors have been

1445
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,640
red we have had blue eyes

1446
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,400
up in wisconsin

1447
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,520
and we've had green eyes up in milwaukee

1448
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,000
so uh

1449
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,440
i don't know

1450
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,280
are they are they from the same

1451
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,520
dimension or are they just something or

1452
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,200
maybe it's perspective

1453
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,000
and maybe their eye color

1454
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,760
dictates their dimension maybe

1455
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,359
absolutely maybe that's where they're

1456
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,960
coming from you've got red eye entities

1457
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,280
blue eye entities green eye entities

1458
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,799
um

1459
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,319
so you know going back to another

1460
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,680
question that was asked you know what do

1461
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,000
they want

1462
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,760
i'm not so sure that maybe they're not

1463
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,400
just curious or interested

1464
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,799
well that may very well be

1465
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:05,680
that

1466
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,390
yeah

1467
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,359
and you know that another thing with

1468
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,520
this unseen and

1469
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:24,240
hopefully you know since tobias is using

1470
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:25,200
a

1471
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,799
jennifer

1472
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,799
and uh are bernadette to have them see

1473
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,319
what they can find

1474
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
uh

1475
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,920
they have been told that these beings

1476
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,160
that we are seeing are juveniles of

1477
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,160
their species

1478
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,079
it's kind of like a rite of passage

1479
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,000
thing um that the the

1480
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,160
the higher-ups in the hierarchy don't go

1481
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,920
out on these ventures and that the

1482
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,000
younger ones go out

1483
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,079
as part of what they're supposed to do i

1484
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,599
don't know i don't know i don't

1485
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,359
understand the whole thing

1486
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,760
but uh

1487
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,319
you know if that's the case then this

1488
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,680
has been going on for 11 years now and

1489
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,359
it may be something they have been doing

1490
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,520
all along but just now it's starting to

1491
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,640
get

1492
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,480
noticed and you know of course the

1493
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,920
history of these

1494
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,520
you know the history of the flying

1495
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,119
beings and the flying or winged

1496
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,119
humanoids and others

1497
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,720
uh

1498
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,160
when you when you put it all on all

1499
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,119
together it it's it's fairly similar

1500
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,799
uh even down through history but uh

1501
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,040
i i think you all can agree that what's

1502
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:37,680
been going on in chicago in the last

1503
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,760
especially since 2017 is quite unique

1504
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:43,040
i don't think there's anything that

1505
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,549
i mean and one of the things i mean it's

1506
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,920
the last sighting

1507
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,839
i mean

1508
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:56,319
i i know that there's something there

1509
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,200
i mean

1510
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,960
could it be a bird like tobias talked

1511
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,520
about um we don't know i mean

1512
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,760
i recently saw a

1513
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,680
got to see a herring for the first time

1514
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,640
you know

1515
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,680
up close um there was one in the field

1516
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,440
across the street from my work

1517
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,480
and

1518
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,640
you don't think it but they are huge oh

1519
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,440
they're big they are some big birds and

1520
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,119
i'm talking this thing was maybe

1521
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,640
standing

1522
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:23,440
four maybe four and a half feet tall

1523
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,400
um

1524
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:25,280
just

1525
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:29,359
window from my desk and saw and that's

1526
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,559
like wow i mean this i can imagine it

1527
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,079
being you know late at night or

1528
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,680
something in low-light conditions or

1529
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,760
something that could you know scare the

1530
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,839
living daylights out of somebody

1531
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,839
especially if you're not used to seeing

1532
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,839
them um

1533
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:45,920
you know up close i mean if this thing

1534
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,799
took off its wingspan was immense

1535
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,920
um

1536
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,640
so

1537
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,960
i mean could it be yes i mean the thing

1538
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,599
with the eyes i mean could it be

1539
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,400
we just know so little about you know

1540
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,599
even now

1541
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,839
in modern times we know so little about

1542
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,079
animal animals and their physiologies i

1543
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,720
mean uh example look at uh like the

1544
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,760
mantis shrimp it's it's able to see in

1545
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,280
so many colors that some of them we

1546
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,920
haven't even discovered yet um i think

1547
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,920
it's eyes can pick up i believe what was

1548
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,880
it about about 14 15 different spectrums

1549
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,839
of light yeah um that's a sore subject

1550
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,280
with me because i used to have a reef

1551
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,200
aquarium and got my thumb busted open by

1552
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:28,160
one of those things one time yeah and

1553
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,040
i mean

1554
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:31,520
they will do that

1555
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,000
they're awful yeah i have a i have a

1556
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:35,920
body of mine here's actually busted the

1557
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,319
side of the aquarium oh they're correct

1558
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,760
yeah absolutely you know

1559
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,640
um

1560
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,559
but there are so much i mean look at the

1561
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,520
um

1562
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,520
so many some men will say look like

1563
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,119
their eyes glow i mean look at

1564
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,040
alligators if you look at them and if

1565
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,200
you're ever down south and you shine a

1566
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,400
even a

1567
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,160
low intensity light across the water

1568
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,520
you're going to get met with a whole

1569
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:58,000
bunch of eyes staring right back at you

1570
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,880
um

1571
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:01,359
how do we not know that these creatures

1572
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,799
maybe don't collect the light kind of

1573
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,400
like a cat's eyes do

1574
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,319
you know they have that and it reflects

1575
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,319
back it looks like it's glowing

1576
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,240
but all it's doing is it's collecting

1577
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,720
what little light our eyes can't see

1578
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,720
and just reflecting it back to enhance

1579
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,000
their vision

1580
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,680
well and maybe the other thing is you

1581
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,680
know maybe their eye color reflects

1582
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:21,760
their emotions

1583
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,680
and you know we associate red with evil

1584
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,000
and and and something uh

1585
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,480
uh ominous that's not necessarily the

1586
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,480
case it's a color you know

1587
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,799
uh it's like you know i kind of adhere

1588
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,559
to the george carlin mentality when it

1589
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,160
comes to bad words i don't think there's

1590
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,720
a bad word they're words they're they're

1591
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,480
a construct of different letters that

1592
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,960
are tied together we associate red with

1593
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,040
evil demonic ominous maybe that's not

1594
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,040
the case maybe this is

1595
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,799
the maybe we're seeing their emotion

1596
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,640
maybe they're as scared of us as we are

1597
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,640
of them and we're seeing it in red maybe

1598
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,640
if they're blue eyes they're not scared

1599
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,839
at all

1600
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,680
if their green eyes

1601
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:01,920
you know maybe they come from ireland

1602
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,880
[Laughter]

1603
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,440
uh we have another questions from david

1604
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,040
jones locker do you think it's all

1605
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:11,440
connected with ghost poltergeist

1606
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,200
ufos sasquatch and faye oh i think i

1607
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:16,799
think there's a connection between all

1608
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,280
this stuff it's to some degree

1609
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:21,680
uh you know it seems like every time you

1610
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,680
get into an investigation nowadays

1611
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,200
uh

1612
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,040
when you start talking to the witness it

1613
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,280
seems something else has been going on

1614
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,119
in their life as far as paranormal or

1615
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,920
supernatural that they just decided not

1616
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,839
to talk about because they didn't think

1617
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,119
it was connected

1618
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,119
but invariably it's something that may

1619
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:43,680
very well have been connected

1620
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,480
what do you think about that tobias

1621
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,000
well sure definitely you know i mean

1622
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,799
that's that's something i i always ask

1623
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,040
when i'm i'm interviewing a a witness

1624
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,319
i'll say something like you know um have

1625
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,280
you had any other uh unusual experiences

1626
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,079
you know prior to or since like this

1627
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,240
sighting that you're currently

1628
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,599
reporting and uh and as as often as not

1629
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,599
you know they they actually do you know

1630
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,599
i can give you an example

1631
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,280
that sort of ties in directly to this

1632
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,319
question

1633
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,359
there was a woman in madison wisconsin

1634
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,200
that i i spoke to

1635
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,319
had to be a couple years ago now

1636
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,640
and she wanted to talk about this series

1637
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,040
of wayne humanoid sightings that that

1638
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,920
she had had with her her mother

1639
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,000
and while these winged humanoid

1640
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:34,319
sightings were happening they were also

1641
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,839
experiencing a haunting or or what

1642
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,079
appeared to be a haunting in

1643
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,240
in their their home um you know i'm

1644
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,799
talking about a very classic sort of

1645
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,359
like halting phenomena like

1646
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,000
hearing the covers open and all the

1647
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,000
dishes fly out and everything crashing

1648
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,079
to the ground only to run out and find

1649
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,079
nothing disturbed or

1650
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,000
uh there was a frightening incident

1651
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,200
where um the candles in

1652
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,720
her aunt's

1653
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,799
apartment just like lit

1654
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,960
on on their own and almost you know

1655
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:08,880
the place down luckily somebody noticed

1656
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:11,920
in time and so or or uh you know this is

1657
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,640
a very helian one um they uh they would

1658
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,039
hear a baby crying with with no known

1659
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,039
source like they couldn't figure out

1660
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,119
where the sound of this baby crying was

1661
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,839
was was coming from um

1662
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,319
and this is all during

1663
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:28,079
the uh the the uh

1664
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,160
winged humanoid sightings and so

1665
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,119
there's definitely some kind of uh

1666
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,440
connection although you know i

1667
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,880
i don't know

1668
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,160
that it's fair to say that it's it's all

1669
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,799
the same thing i i like to think that it

1670
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:43,920
is

1671
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,480
operating under the the same or a a

1672
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,559
similar set of rules you know what i

1673
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,240
mean i i think that

1674
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,799
whatever the these things are um

1675
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:58,880
you know be they they ghosts or or

1676
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,760
mothman or or bigfoots or or whatever

1677
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,200
that seemingly

1678
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,280
interacts with us in paranormal ways

1679
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,920
they're they're doing so under the same

1680
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,200
set of

1681
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,000
uh rules you know like it's there there

1682
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,880
are physical laws in place that are sort

1683
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:17,440
of regulating how they they do these

1684
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,319
these seemingly paranormal feats and so

1685
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,200
there seem to be a lot of similarities

1686
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,000
but it's it's mostly just that

1687
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,240
they interact with us in similar ways

1688
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:30,000
and don't necessarily have to be the

1689
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,990
anybody have anything else to add to

1690
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,960
that

1691
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,839
well how many times have we seen i'm

1692
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,319
sorry travis um no no no

1693
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:44,720
go for it uh how many times have we seen

1694
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,319
where people have had

1695
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,280
ufo sightings abduction experiences and

1696
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,640
many of them

1697
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,520
almost exactly mimic a poltergeist

1698
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,119
event or vice versa they're having a

1699
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,599
poltergeist event and yet you know

1700
01:04:02,470 --> 01:03:59,119
everything they're describing sounds

1701
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:02,480
like the typical abduction scenario

1702
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,520
um

1703
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,000
who's not to say i mean that it could be

1704
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,240
any number of things i mean hearing

1705
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,640
hearing a child cry for no reason at all

1706
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:12,160
brings you know kind of raises my

1707
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,359
hackles for

1708
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,720
kind of a few reasons i live in the

1709
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,960
midwest and um

1710
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,480
i'm

1711
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,119
there's certain things i won't say that

1712
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,720
are the only things that really scare me

1713
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:24,000
to death so

1714
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,839
uh hearing a baby cry is one of their

1715
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,839
signs so i'm not gonna even talk about

1716
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:28,960
it so

1717
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,319
um but how many of these things so so

1718
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:34,960
intricately tied together shadow people

1719
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:38,400
uh encounters with abductions with alien

1720
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:43,520
sightings or ufo sightings or vice versa

1721
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,720
and and i i agree with exactly what all

1722
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,640
three of you have said and i'm just

1723
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,880
going to add one dimension to that and

1724
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:52,079
that is that

1725
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:53,920
all of these things i do believe are

1726
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,480
interrelated in some form or fashion but

1727
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,640
it may not be the experience it may be

1728
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,599
the experiencer i we are receptacles

1729
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,319
we receive and we put out

1730
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:06,240
and so

1731
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,839
you find individuals we call them

1732
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,760
skeptics disbelievers they've never

1733
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,599
experienced anything in their life well

1734
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:13,039
maybe that's because

1735
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,400
they're not

1736
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,839
on that

1737
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,440
that i don't want to say spiritual but

1738
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,760
that that vibrational level where that

1739
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:20,880
they can

1740
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,960
see and experience

1741
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:25,119
going back you know the saying that we

1742
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,319
use is

1743
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:28,400
i'll see it when i believe it but if you

1744
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,359
guys ever

1745
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:31,039
and all of you are old enough maybe

1746
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,960
tobias is not old enough

1747
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:35,039
to remember laverne and shirley and

1748
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,640
lenny and squishy oh yeah

1749
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,640
and squiggy used to he he would always

1750
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:40,720
screw that saying up and he would always

1751
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:44,799
go i'll believe it when i see it

1752
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:45,680
yeah

1753
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,039
and i think sometimes that's the case we

1754
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:51,839
individuals see and experience

1755
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:54,880
uap ufo sasquatch

1756
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:57,520
mothman winged humanoids poltergeist

1757
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,640
activity because we're already sensitive

1758
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,039
and inclined to believe it and to

1759
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,280
experience it i think there's something

1760
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,760
to that and i ain't you know

1761
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:09,920
as we have been getting settings from

1762
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:12,960
chicago over the years

1763
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:18,640
i i do believe that certain people are

1764
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,400
attuned to it uh to seeing these things

1765
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,880
uh just like people who are intuitive

1766
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,240
and able to

1767
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,039
sense or see certain things or you know

1768
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,720
apparitions or

1769
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:32,960
sense spirit energy

1770
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,240
and as far as being able to see

1771
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:38,720
say a bigfoot or a winged humanoid or

1772
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,240
any other type of cryptid maybe they are

1773
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,440
able

1774
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:45,760
to see it or

1775
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,440
maybe these beings have the ability

1776
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,480
to show themselves to specific

1777
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,079
people

1778
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,240
and uh you know some of the studies that

1779
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,640
we have had in chicago

1780
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,960
where people who have i mean have there

1781
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,319
have been groups of people when these

1782
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,039
settings occurring and in some occasions

1783
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,119
it's like either one or two people will

1784
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:08,880
be able to see something

1785
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:11,920
and nobody else sees it

1786
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,599
what do you think about that tobias

1787
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,520
well you know that it's interesting that

1788
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,359
that you bring that up because

1789
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,000
that's something that sort of runs the

1790
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:24,240
gamut uh among

1791
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,680
paranormal

1792
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:27,599
phenomena right is

1793
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:31,039
this experience of multiple people being

1794
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,839
in

1795
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,400
the same place and and sometimes they'll

1796
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,039
all see whatever the the uh

1797
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,520
event is but sometimes only certain

1798
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,920
people experience it and i do think that

1799
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,640
that speaks towards uh

1800
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:46,400
either in

1801
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,079
uh uh uh intentional behavior on on the

1802
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,640
part of of the the entity or or

1803
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,920
phenomenon

1804
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:54,799
or

1805
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,599
ability

1806
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,160
uh of certain people to experience

1807
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,079
things that that that others just can't

1808
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,559
you know i i i think it almost has to be

1809
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,440
one of one of those two i mean that at

1810
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,839
the the very least you know when you

1811
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,640
talk about people being able to um

1812
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,719
experience things that that other people

1813
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,400
can i mean i

1814
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,199
i always dislike it when when the

1815
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,120
conversation sort of steers itself in

1816
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:26,000
that direction because i i don't

1817
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:27,440
like um

1818
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,640
you know the

1819
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,319
people who

1820
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,319
uh treat something like that as a sort

1821
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,640
of superpower or something similar you

1822
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,679
know it's

1823
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,080
it's um it it seems to be common enough

1824
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,600
and and i don't know

1825
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,920
that the the missing element isn't

1826
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:43,759
exactly what travis was already talking

1827
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,640
about

1828
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,880
where uh they're just not open enough to

1829
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,120
it so it's not as though like the people

1830
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:51,440
seeing it are necessarily special um in

1831
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,640
in any way that uh nobody else could be

1832
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,040
were they you know to to get in the the

1833
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,279
right state of mind but yeah i mean

1834
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,600
you're you're all absolutely right on um

1835
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:04,080
that that does certainly seem to be the

1836
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,679
the case and there's something to it

1837
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,199
you know it's funny when we first

1838
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:11,920
started looking into this phenomenon

1839
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,060
uh well

1840
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,640
[Music]

1841
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,480
manuel and i have been looking at this

1842
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,560
since 2011

1843
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,279
uh but then when we brought

1844
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:23,359
a team together and then of course it

1845
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,560
was mostly

1846
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,560
us three working on it

1847
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,560
well

1848
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,040
we had um we had other people too i mean

1849
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,120
of course we had um

1850
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:35,679
we had rosemary and ellen golly on the

1851
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:38,719
team as well but anyway we uh the one

1852
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,359
thing that that was interesting was

1853
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,279
we were all trying to figure out what

1854
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,440
the hell these things were

1855
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,199
and how they were manifesting and why

1856
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,880
they were manifesting and

1857
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,199
you know some of the more interesting

1858
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,719
concepts were other than

1859
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:54,159
interdimensional we were talking about

1860
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,229
uh possibly summoning

1861
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:05,840
and i i i still believe there's

1862
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,239
something to summoning there i i think

1863
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,480
the the point pleasant

1864
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,159
uh mothman was a summon being

1865
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,640
i do not disagree with that yeah

1866
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,640
uh and i i know you do i think you and i

1867
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,120
talked about that when we have yes

1868
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,199
um but we looked at a lot of different

1869
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,800
things and we had you know it's funny

1870
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,560
when i wrote the first book

1871
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,880
the mothman dynasty i had everybody on

1872
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,800
the on the team who was investigating it

1873
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,640
give their opinion as to what it was

1874
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,440
they thought it was and we had all

1875
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,440
different

1876
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,440
you know it run the gamut i mean people

1877
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:41,199
are opinions

1878
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,159
um

1879
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,040
i wonder if if your opinions and i'm

1880
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,000
talking to tobias and men well have your

1881
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,560
opinions changed as we have gone on with

1882
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,870
dave evolved

1883
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,960
um

1884
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,280
you know we when we first when the book

1885
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,560
first came out

1886
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:02,159
you know

1887
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,120
i was

1888
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:06,000
you know 100 sure in the camp that this

1889
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:07,040
was a

1890
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:08,080
you know

1891
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,920
true cryptid

1892
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:16,960
now

1893
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,920
i'm not even sure i'm not

1894
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:21,199
um

1895
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,560
extra dimensional

1896
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,520
you know

1897
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,840
um

1898
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,239
it's it has my views on it have changed

1899
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,480
a lot especially since the uh

1900
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,239
you know interactions with the unseen

1901
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,199
ones especially after my experience uh

1902
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,679
you know yeah my views have it evolved

1903
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,360
and they have become a little different

1904
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,280
now mm-hmm

1905
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,520
what about you tobias yeah you know i

1906
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,560
mean very similar to uh

1907
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,920
manuel you know i i certainly my uh my

1908
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,760
opinions have

1909
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,080
evolved since the the beginning of the

1910
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,000
investigation but i i think that's only

1911
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,480
natural you know when you're involved

1912
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,800
with with something like this um

1913
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:06,719
i uh i very much

1914
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,920
try to avoid making any sort of firm

1915
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,480
determination you know with with without

1916
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:14,719
substantial evidence and i you know i

1917
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:18,000
think one thing that that most of us can

1918
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,640
agree on is is that we don't have

1919
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,560
sufficient evidence to say that

1920
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,719
this is exactly what what people are

1921
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,199
seeing you know now there are instances

1922
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,600
like specific cases where you can

1923
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,440
identify like okay this was you know a

1924
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,920
misidentification or something but like

1925
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,360
by and large when we're talking about

1926
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,520
the really weird stuff which let's face

1927
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,199
it that's what everybody you know really

1928
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,640
wants to hear about when we're talking

1929
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,719
about the weird stuff the potentially

1930
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:44,239
paranormal stuff

1931
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,440
um

1932
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:48,560
you know like i the only thing that i am

1933
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:52,400
sure of um is that it is just as weird

1934
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,760
today as it was in the spring of 2017

1935
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,880
when when i i first got uh in involved

1936
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:00,880
in investigating it and

1937
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,480
you know like i i said before um as this

1938
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,760
case goes on i think the likelihood that

1939
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,320
the potentially uh paranormal cases are

1940
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:11,920
are represented by an undiscovered

1941
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,320
biological species i i think that

1942
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,480
likelihood shrinks

1943
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:18,800
daily i mean it just it it just doesn't

1944
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:21,600
make sense at this point

1945
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,159
uh vincent asked uh what rosemary

1946
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,679
thought was on these beans and she

1947
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,840
thought it was in her dimension

1948
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,600
uh actually she told me that from the

1949
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,199
very beginning

1950
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:33,440
uh she didn't believe that they were

1951
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,840
indigenous beings at all so um

1952
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,320
and you know i because uh we were

1953
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,840
looking into like i said we were looking

1954
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,760
to the occult thing and the summon thing

1955
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,199
you know that and she came right out and

1956
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,360
told me because you know what when we

1957
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,760
were getting reports rosemary was

1958
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,760
getting a hold of the witnesses and

1959
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,760
following up you know

1960
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,600
with all the sightings

1961
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,440
so uh but she told me she thought it was

1962
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,280
interdimensional

1963
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,440
well and rosemary was you know one of

1964
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,120
the leading experts on

1965
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,600
phenomena oh yeah and you should you you

1966
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,600
dealt with the mothman festival so you

1967
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:08,960
know because she was involved with that

1968
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:11,760
a lot yeah i actually have uh lectured

1969
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,560
with her and sat beside her and and

1970
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,920
everything

1971
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,080
and i think you know and again i think

1972
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:20,159
you know the point pleasant mothman yes

1973
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,600
you and i have had that conversation i

1974
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,600
do believe that that particular

1975
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,080
manifestation was a summoning in some

1976
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:28,159
form or fashion and again i think you

1977
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,760
know and that's why i brought up the gen

1978
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,679
thing because

1979
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,159
i'm not exactly sure that you know again

1980
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,760
we attribute good bad evil

1981
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:40,320
those are words that that that fit our

1982
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,159
humanity that doesn't necessarily mean

1983
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,280
it fits

1984
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,280
these entities

1985
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:47,840
um that doesn't mean and and that's

1986
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,199
where my my theories and my

1987
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,440
beliefs in this have have changed i

1988
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,000
thought from the beginning mothman

1989
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,920
equals evil

1990
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,320
and and there was no in-between

1991
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,159
but i'm not sure that that's the case i

1992
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,080
think that there are

1993
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,640
multiple types of these winged entities

1994
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,719
that are manifesting could they be good

1995
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,280
could they be evil could they be totally

1996
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,400
complacent and not either and we're only

1997
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,800
projecting what we feel and what we

1998
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:18,640
believe what we've talked been taught to

1999
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,950
you know um

2000
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:26,880
we were lucky enough to have rosemary

2001
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,440
give the the initial presentation of

2002
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,920
this phenomenon in 2017

2003
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:34,320
at the the mothman festival

2004
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:35,199
and

2005
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,560
where it kicked off at because we

2006
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,920
uh

2007
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:43,199
she

2008
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:46,719
and i don't know if you guys know this

2009
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,679
story

2010
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,840
but there was deciding and i forget what

2011
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:51,760
neighborhood it was and i go back i'll

2012
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,520
know it but anyway one of these

2013
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:54,719
sightings

2014
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:57,440
of this being was on a house

2015
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,400
and we figured out that that house

2016
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,480
belonged to one of the women who was

2017
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,040
there at the presentation

2018
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:07,120
by pure happenstance because she had no

2019
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,159
idea

2020
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:10,080
about anything to do with mothman or

2021
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:13,679
anything like that i mean in chicago

2022
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,960
it was the damnedest thing it was almost

2023
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:16,719
like she was pulled there in there to

2024
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,600
see

2025
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,000
and to find out that her house was where

2026
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,960
one of these things was seen on the roof

2027
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,400
it was weird

2028
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,920
really weird i mean when

2029
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:27,920
rosemary told me that

2030
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:29,840
i was kind i was really shocked by it

2031
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:35,270
you know the synchronicity

2032
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,239
you know

2033
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,159
who's to say i mean

2034
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,600
we we get a lot of cases where

2035
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:42,400
synchronicity comes into a lot of stuff

2036
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:45,600
uh you know so um who knows what we're

2037
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,719
in for

2038
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,800
i i think

2039
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,040
i think this is you know it has been

2040
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,360
slow settings i have been sightings have

2041
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:55,840
been slow over recent months

2042
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,640
but we do get one or two that just come

2043
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,320
in and it's like

2044
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,199
wow now we got a chirping bean or we got

2045
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,120
something else or something else gonna

2046
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,320
you know

2047
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:07,600
we've had

2048
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,239
other humanoids that have been seen

2049
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,320
in relationship to these winged beans we

2050
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,159
had ufos

2051
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,040
um

2052
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,080
a lot of a lot of other things but

2053
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:22,159
you know i i just don't i'm just trying

2054
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:25,280
to trying to imagine what we're in for

2055
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,480
actually

2056
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,120
uh are we gonna get something else are

2057
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,040
we going to get uh

2058
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,120
some evidence to point as to what these

2059
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,800
things really are as to why they're

2060
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,239
really here

2061
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,239
uh we have you know it's almost baby

2062
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,640
steps now but um

2063
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,040
and it seems like i mean

2064
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,280
it's been going on now for

2065
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,199
want to say what a little over a month

2066
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,960
maybe we had the uh

2067
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,880
the initial sighting with the couple

2068
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,920
that were

2069
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,440
you know parking

2070
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:54,960
um

2071
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,640
deciding where the people were at a

2072
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,000
party

2073
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,679
where they described it as having like a

2074
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:03,440
mantis head

2075
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,480
um

2076
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,560
that was on the roof of the neighbor's

2077
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,199
house next door watching them

2078
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,040
um and there were

2079
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,440
i believe six seven witnesses at that

2080
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,800
one

2081
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,840
you know

2082
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,679
um

2083
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,600
those people and

2084
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,280
this kind of ties in a little bit to

2085
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,440
what you guys were talking about earlier

2086
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,360
being able to see things and not see

2087
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,120
things um

2088
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:29,920
because that one sighting everyone

2089
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,400
described it as a lechusa which um

2090
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,880
if you know what it is it's a uh

2091
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:39,120
it's a mexican-american folklore

2092
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,840
uh thing but that kind of ties in to me

2093
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:43,840
with the uh

2094
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:46,239
with the um the flap that we had in

2095
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,440
little village

2096
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:50,239
how many so many people were seeing this

2097
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,960
how so many people were were saying this

2098
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,560
it was the same thing

2099
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,880
and it kind of got me thinking while you

2100
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:58,719
guys were talking about that that it

2101
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,440
could not only just be vibrational like

2102
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,960
travis was talking about that some

2103
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:04,960
people are more attuned to it it could

2104
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,400
also be cultural how many of us grow up

2105
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:10,000
listening to stories i grant my

2106
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:11,440
grandmother's just scared to live in

2107
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,640
daylight instead of meeting all my

2108
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:15,199
cousins at night into behaving because

2109
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,880
of the literature don't go outside at

2110
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,159
night the tattoos that could be out

2111
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:20,320
there for you you know don't go near the

2112
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,520
river because yoronas there um

2113
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,400
so many of these things were so

2114
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,600
um were so ingrained in us and so many

2115
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,800
of my

2116
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:33,040
the people in my family also practice

2117
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:33,920
you know

2118
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,360
they were brew house they were into

2119
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:43,440
santeria um

2120
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,040
all of that stuff is like it's

2121
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,679
culturally ingrained into us as we grow

2122
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,440
up

2123
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,239
to many of us it's just the fact that to

2124
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,480
us the lechuza exists because that's all

2125
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,120
we heard about as children i mean that's

2126
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,280
that's the stories of folklore of where

2127
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,320
we come from and

2128
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,960
that kind of i kind of think that

2129
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:07,120
maybe that kind of deals a double whammy

2130
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,639
with somebody like say who's maybe

2131
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,960
hispanic or maybe somebody who's like

2132
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:12,960
say irish because they might see the fae

2133
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,840
more because culturally they grew up

2134
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:17,920
with it and maybe they're also in tune

2135
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:19,600
to the vibrations

2136
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:21,679
of being able to i've seen these things

2137
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,320
because of the way they grew up

2138
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,840
you know this is something that's

2139
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,159
interesting too now of course we had

2140
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:29,920
people who don't know little village is

2141
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:33,520
a mostly hispanic neighborhood

2142
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,510
in little village

2143
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,920
but if you go back and look at all the

2144
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,320
sightings

2145
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,840
in chicago there is a very high

2146
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:49,840
percentage

2147
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,990
now i wonder why that is

2148
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:00,470
again i mean

2149
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,760
so many a lot of the hispanics that come

2150
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,520
that are in chicago

2151
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,199
and

2152
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,360
i can say this because i've been here

2153
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,400
for now

2154
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,080
i've been married to my wife now 19

2155
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,520
years but i've been here a lot longer

2156
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,800
than that

2157
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,960
um

2158
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,800
were there they're transplants they're

2159
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:19,920
kind of like me

2160
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,639
um and most of them grew up in the area

2161
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,639
where i grew up like in southern where i

2162
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,159
grew up in west texas but they come from

2163
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,960
like the south or they come from mexico

2164
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,080
um

2165
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:32,880
they carry that

2166
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:36,080
cultural

2167
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,520
teachings of their you know their

2168
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:39,679
grandmothers that are wellitas and them

2169
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,639
and their

2170
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,639
mothers and fathers you know using those

2171
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:44,480
stories you know

2172
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:45,520
to

2173
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:51,120
behaving or something

2174
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,560
um

2175
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,639
you know that can be

2176
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,960
a very powerful

2177
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,239
um

2178
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,080
trigger i mean that could be something

2179
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,719
that you know

2180
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:04,080
i don't i don't know if you guys are

2181
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,840
familiar with there's a jewish belief

2182
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,000
called the tulpa right you know it's a

2183
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,400
belief system but if you put so many

2184
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,360
people believe in it and so many or you

2185
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:15,120
believe strong enough for you

2186
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,360
so many people believe in the same thing

2187
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:19,600
it actually the legend says it comes to

2188
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:20,719
life

2189
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,679
um who's not to say that things like you

2190
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,560
know

2191
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:26,560
lechusas or something like that that

2192
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,080
most of us most people who are hispanic

2193
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:32,000
see it because they grew up with it they

2194
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,520
grew up listening to their grandmothers

2195
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,000
or grandfathers tell these stories or

2196
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,400
warning us about going out you know

2197
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,960
or something um

2198
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:43,199
how many of these things that you know

2199
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,400
um

2200
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,400
people who have things happen around our

2201
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,400
house who are maybe of irish heritage or

2202
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,120
came from like first second generation

2203
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,440
um irish americans don't have the

2204
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,960
stories that they grew up with listening

2205
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,880
to the fae and they just immediately

2206
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,719
assume it's fade they got pay in the

2207
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,480
house or something

2208
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,880
so many hispanics that come to chicago

2209
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,320
are transplants and many of them are

2210
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:06,320
either first second generation they're

2211
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:07,440
very

2212
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,239
especially in the little village area

2213
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,560
you know you go there and you don't go

2214
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:16,719
more than a few feet without seeing

2215
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,679
the signs of that you know of those

2216
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,679
beliefs

2217
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:24,480
we have talked about

2218
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,320
possibility of some of these studies

2219
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,719
being thought forms or tulpas

2220
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:31,920
you know

2221
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,080
nomenclature

2222
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,840
with this from the very beginning you

2223
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:40,000
know we've been grasping this for all

2224
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,440
early on

2225
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:43,520
uh

2226
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,960
understand that

2227
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,480
uh i don't know what are what do you

2228
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,080
other guys think do you think there's a

2229
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:53,760
possibility that

2230
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:55,920
there may be a class association culture

2231
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,239
association with these things

2232
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,320
well i i think it's it's an interesting

2233
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,000
point and i'm really glad that that

2234
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,480
manuel thought uh to to mention that

2235
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,159
because i i think it's

2236
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,400
in an undervalued point in in the

2237
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:10,159
general discussion but i i do think it's

2238
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,679
very very important

2239
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,280
um

2240
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,560
and uh i i think that we've got a few

2241
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:18,320
different possibilities here you know i

2242
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:19,280
mean

2243
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:20,320
it's

2244
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:23,760
our

2245
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,520
perception of of these beings is shaped

2246
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,480
by our our our own belief system so if

2247
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:32,960
if you know you've been taught to to

2248
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:36,239
believe in something like the uh

2249
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:40,400
lechuza or or you know uh fairies or or

2250
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,760
or honestly in the 21st century uh

2251
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,920
aliens you know anything like that

2252
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,040
bigfoot

2253
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,880
um maybe

2254
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,760
um

2255
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,880
the entity the the the being itself is

2256
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,120
is able to

2257
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,760
have some kind of of

2258
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:59,199
of of

2259
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:00,000
your

2260
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,520
expected

2261
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,840
you know uh image of what it it's

2262
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,679
supposed to look like and and can sort

2263
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,600
of modify it

2264
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:08,800
to uh

2265
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,159
itself to to meet that expectation or or

2266
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:15,280
honestly when i look at a lot of these

2267
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,560
these citing

2268
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,520
reports and you have people

2269
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,880
who will

2270
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,239
try to

2271
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,920
you know describe

2272
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,320
in terms of traditional belief systems

2273
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,320
you know you you just as often hit

2274
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:30,400
people who try to describe things in

2275
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,600
terms of

2276
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,280
a movie they've seen

2277
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,120
you know and so i think

2278
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:37,520
a lot of it is just people

2279
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:40,960
trying to describe the impossible you

2280
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:44,400
know trying to find the vocabulary

2281
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,199
to explain to you uh something that is

2282
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:49,120
so far beyond their understanding the

2283
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:50,800
best they can do

2284
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,520
is try to find something in in their own

2285
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,320
life that that that they can relate this

2286
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:57,679
thing to

2287
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:00,639
um because otherwise like you

2288
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:03,520
part of our job as in investigators is

2289
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,120
stripping away narrative until we just

2290
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:08,880
until we're left with nothing but the

2291
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,440
actual story you know and so when i

2292
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,920
think i i i think when you strip away

2293
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:16,320
this narrative you know be it um

2294
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,239
uh rachuza or or or demons or

2295
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,080
what was the other one out of at a

2296
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,239
little a little village goblins or

2297
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,280
something right like oh dwendage

2298
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,000
yeah dwindling yeah i was a deep cut for

2299
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,760
this this uh this particular

2300
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,000
investigation but yeah if one once you

2301
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,639
strip that that that stuff away

2302
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:38,560
um the actual

2303
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,600
meat of the experience is is

2304
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,560
is very very similar across every single

2305
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:47,120
case you know so i i think uh it's

2306
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:49,120
entirely possible what we're looking at

2307
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,159
is just people trying to place these

2308
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,239
experiences in a cultural context that

2309
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,480
they can understand

2310
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,880
could it be kind of like um

2311
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,960
you know how they say when the human the

2312
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,880
way the human brain works that it tries

2313
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,120
to always put a face to something it

2314
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:07,120
tries to put a

2315
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,719
it fits tries to fit it within a

2316
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,920
parameter

2317
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,800
um

2318
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,080
i mean so

2319
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:13,440
who's not to say well how many people

2320
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,560
are going to be disappointed if the

2321
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:16,159
aliens do show up and they don't all

2322
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:17,600
look like you know

2323
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,040
um the typical gray you know big eyes or

2324
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,080
um what's the show paul um

2325
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,960
you know or or if um

2326
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:29,040
you know to somebody maybe what if these

2327
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,480
creatures showed up to somebody who was

2328
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,440
maybe of arabian or middle eastern

2329
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:35,199
descent it might look to them it might

2330
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,719
look like the gin

2331
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,679
um

2332
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,360
you know

2333
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,840
it could be any number of things if if

2334
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,600
you say to me that you're you're an

2335
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,480
angel

2336
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,639
well two things are gonna pop in my head

2337
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,639
either you're gonna look like you know

2338
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,400
the angelic you know

2339
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,280
um archangel like what you see michael

2340
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:55,199
or i'm gonna think you look like castiel

2341
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:58,880
from some soup from supernatural um

2342
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,639
you know but that's just how my brain

2343
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,719
processes it um

2344
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,800
how are we to say that these creatures

2345
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,480
aren't doing the same thing like tobias

2346
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,400
i said they're they're forming their

2347
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,719
view so they may be

2348
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,560
we're not they're not scaring the living

2349
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:16,159
hell out of us i mean

2350
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:17,040
um

2351
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:18,080
like

2352
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,600
and travis would probably agree most

2353
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,520
people when they think you ask anybody

2354
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,840
who's like of a christian faith what

2355
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,560
does a a cherub look like most people

2356
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:28,480
think little babies you know with wings

2357
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:29,600
and they're so cute and everything

2358
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,800
little fat naked babies yeah they're not

2359
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,960
anywhere near that they don't look like

2360
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:36,400
anything

2361
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,440
like that

2362
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:40,400
they actually have four faces

2363
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,360
you know

2364
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,360
most people think it's like demons they

2365
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,760
look a certain way they don't look

2366
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,040
you know

2367
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,360
so many demons look completely different

2368
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,600
from what you think well this is one

2369
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,360
characteristic about being human

2370
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,960
everybody's got a different perception

2371
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,719
of everything yes

2372
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:58,320
i mean you can almost count on if you

2373
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,320
put something right in front of 200

2374
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,400
people you're going to get a different

2375
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:05,199
description from most of them you know

2376
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,719
it's just not going to you know it's

2377
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:09,199
just not going to be the same thing

2378
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,560
uh

2379
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,159
that might be what's going on here but

2380
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,719
you know it is interesting as well how

2381
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:16,480
consistent some of these sightings have

2382
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,440
been

2383
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,840
um as a matter of proof and what people

2384
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,760
are actually seeing

2385
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,440
so um

2386
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,440
i don't know and that was that was true

2387
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:26,960
in the original mothman sightings in

2388
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,280
point pleasant there were over 100

2389
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,800
sightings

2390
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,560
over 13 months

2391
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,560
and there were what some people would

2392
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:36,239
call discrepancies but i would call them

2393
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,520
there were variations there were

2394
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:39,280
variations of the height or variations

2395
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,120
in the color the variations

2396
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,560
some said that it was wearing like a

2397
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,000
tunic some said that it was totally

2398
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:46,960
naked there were all of these variations

2399
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,840
and so in 2003 2004 i was one of the

2400
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:52,000
first people to posit the theory well

2401
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,600
maybe there wasn't a moth man maybe

2402
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,120
there were moth men

2403
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,960
maybe there were multiple

2404
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,880
manifestations of these entities you're

2405
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,960
not seeing the same thing but you're

2406
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:02,560
seeing this you're seeing the same

2407
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,360
entity or the same

2408
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,960
representation of these entities in

2409
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,880
multiple locations and multiple times

2410
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:10,480
and we're still getting sightings down

2411
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:11,760
there

2412
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:14,480
we really oh yeah it never stopped

2413
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,600
no

2414
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:17,840
i mean i've had it i've had a couple

2415
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:20,159
dozen sightings in and around mason

2416
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:21,120
county

2417
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:23,920
over the years so um yeah well that's

2418
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,880
and that's the interesting thing when

2419
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:26,880
you go to mason county and you talk to

2420
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:29,360
the the individuals there you you get a

2421
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,239
split

2422
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:32,000
never been seen to since the collapse of

2423
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,600
the silver bridge or we're still seeing

2424
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:35,199
sightings

2425
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,400
right it it's it's one or the other

2426
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,520
so

2427
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,320
i let me uh let me mention this uh while

2428
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:45,199
we're here and we're all together um

2429
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:48,960
as some of you may know

2430
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:49,760
uh

2431
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,960
doug hycheck from monster quest and i

2432
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,400
have formed a production company

2433
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:56,480
together

2434
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:02,470
making

2435
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,719
either films or documentaries based on

2436
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,960
these chicago sightings and and actually

2437
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,120
it's going to be going beyond that as

2438
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,600
well and as time goes on

2439
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,760
uh it's still a work in progress we're

2440
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:15,520
still getting things together but we are

2441
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:16,800
pitching it

2442
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:19,280
and tobias and and

2443
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,320
um

2444
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:21,920
manuel are going to be part of that as

2445
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:24,719
well so i you know

2446
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:27,840
this whole thing you know and look

2447
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,400
it's it's this continues on

2448
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,159
these sightings continue on we're going

2449
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,560
to keep looking into this and i'll be i

2450
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:36,239
would really like

2451
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,360
for us

2452
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:39,120
and i like the idea of having travis

2453
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:42,239
come in on this for another opinion

2454
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,600
uh somebody who's familiar with the

2455
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,000
phenomena and uh

2456
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:48,000
and you know to interject his thoughts

2457
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,040
on this

2458
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:51,360
so i'd like to be able to do this every

2459
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,480
once in a while uh as a round table for

2460
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:56,000
us for to come on

2461
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,360
if that's okay with you all yeah i'm i'm

2462
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:01,360
fine with it i i love hanging out with

2463
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:06,070
what does that say about my social life

2464
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:07,600
but i love hanging out with

2465
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:13,750
well the usual suspects there we are

2466
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:15,280
there you go

2467
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:17,440
so i tell you um

2468
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:19,040
let's go ahead let me go around with

2469
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,800
each one of you and

2470
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,800
have you tell us what you have planned

2471
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:24,719
coming up

2472
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:27,520
as far as investigations or uh

2473
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:30,320
lectures or whatever you plan on doing

2474
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,199
uh and uh how people can get in contact

2475
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:35,840
with you let me start with travis

2476
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:37,440
um

2477
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,880
i'm working on a reissue of the dark

2478
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:46,480
wings documentary i've been i started

2479
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:50,000
that right around the time the covet hit

2480
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,600
that screwed everything up but we are

2481
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,239
still working on a a re-edit and a

2482
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:56,719
reissue of that documentary film

2483
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,199
what i basically do of course i'm not

2484
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:01,280
right now i'm not part of any group or

2485
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:03,760
anything that does active investigations

2486
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,480
i'm more of a researcher i like i

2487
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,480
follow what you post on i try to share

2488
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:11,120
it as often as i can i enjoy reading it

2489
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,320
um

2490
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,560
as far as presentations or anything like

2491
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,480
that nothing really coming my way they

2492
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:18,239
can find me on facebook i'm art travis

2493
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,719
short on twitter at travis short there's

2494
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:22,400
two t's in short

2495
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:24,159
i'm on instagram

2496
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:25,760
you can find me on almost any social

2497
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,000
media platform linkedin

2498
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,320
and i try to i do a combination of

2499
01:33:33,669 --> 01:33:32,000
posting things about

2500
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:33,679
what i do for vectors what i do for

2501
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,600
phoenix and then what i do in my my

2502
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,600
research time for the the paranormal of

2503
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,600
the supernatural

2504
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,440
tobias

2505
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:43,840
uh yeah so uh well i'm currently working

2506
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,080
on my my third book which i i think will

2507
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:47,440
be a a

2508
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,760
fun one as well as an interesting one

2509
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,120
now we're going to call it singular 40

2510
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:53,760
in society's guide to yuletide high

2511
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:56,560
strangeness or dealing with um

2512
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:59,760
not just uh sort of traditional folklore

2513
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:02,000
um surrounding you know that that

2514
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,280
particular season although there is a

2515
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,520
lot of weird stuff and i'm excited about

2516
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,280
being able to dig into that but also

2517
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,440
sort of modern sightings of

2518
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:11,760
of unusual phenomena around that time of

2519
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:14,560
year um our next appearance is going to

2520
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:17,360
be at haunted america in alton illinois

2521
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:18,639
and that's gonna be

2522
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:21,520
uh june 24th and 25th uh emily and i

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01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:23,600
will be of course representing the the

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01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:26,480
singular foreign society um and we're

2525
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:30,400
teaching a workshop on uh how to

2526
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,840
uh begin to

2527
01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:33,920
investigate if if that's something in

2528
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:36,639
which you're interested in doing so um

2529
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,960
i believe that event is sold out uh

2530
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,560
unfortunately but if you if you happen

2531
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,159
to be going anyway

2532
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,000
i i will

2533
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,800
announce our workshop um you know

2534
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,480
otherwise if you want to keep up with us

2535
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,840
uh you can always go to our website

2536
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,840
singular40and.com

2537
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:54,000
uh you can find us uh on social media

2538
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,760
we're on all of it uh just look for uh

2539
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,840
the the singer the foreign society and

2540
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:59,440
uh if you like what we do enough that

2541
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:00,480
you want to be a part of it i hope

2542
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:03,600
you'll check us out at patreon.com

2543
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,840
singular for you

2544
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:08,000
and manuel

2545
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,199
uh well i'm going to continue my

2546
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:13,040
investigations i will actually be going

2547
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,119
out to bensonville tomorrow

2548
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,520
uh with my son who was um

2549
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,239
also an investigator as well uh with ufo

2550
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:22,639
clearinghouse and we will be you know

2551
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:25,360
visiting the sites of the uh the last

2552
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,800
one which is the father daughter

2553
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:29,040
sighting as well as going to visit the

2554
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,000
sighting

2555
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,719
um the last item before that

2556
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,800
so we will be in that area where the

2557
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,199
amazon driver you know saw we've taken

2558
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:40,320
some pictures to post to the website but

2559
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:41,520
um

2560
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:43,760
you can also catch me i'm on social

2561
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,400
media you can find me on chicago mossman

2562
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,560
and wing humanoid sightings which is a

2563
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,639
group i have on

2564
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,880
online as well as ufo clearinghouse on

2565
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:54,400
all social media

2566
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:55,280
um

2567
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:56,800
you can also find me at

2568
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,910
well very good well so guys

2569
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:06,880
i uh i appreciate you coming on

2570
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:09,199
uh we got a lot of information out there

2571
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,719
and uh

2572
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:12,960
whenever we do get more stuff

2573
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,199
we'll put it together and

2574
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,520
uh come up with another

2575
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,320
round table discussion and uh i'm glad

2576
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:22,000
that you are

2577
01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:24,880
up to coming back and um

2578
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,239
but in the meantime you know

2579
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,560
just stay well and have a great weekend

2580
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,880
and i will talk to you all soon

2581
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,800
thank you so much thank you guys good

2582
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:36,239
seeing you guys again looking forward to

2583
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:38,320
the next time take care yeah great see

2584
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:39,280
you guys

2585
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:43,910
now if you've had an unexplained

2586
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:46,080
encounter setting feel free to contact

2587
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,840
me through the families of monsters blog

2588
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,320
site now i want to again thank tobias

2589
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:52,560
manuel and travis are joining me this

2590
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,679
evening

2591
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,440
and thanks to each and all you for

2592
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,119
watching and chatting if you made a

2593
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:59,040
super chat donation it's truly

2594
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,400
appreciated

2595
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:02,639
your support is what makes this possible

2596
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:07,119
so please like subscribe and share

2597
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,119
if you have a setting or encounter

2598
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,880
report that you would like to be

2599
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,320
considered

2600
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,360
for the personal report show or

2601
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,280
even posted at the website at

2602
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:19,360
phantomsomemonsters.com

2603
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:21,280
feel free to forward to my email lawn

2604
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:27,830
the uh the worldwide wing humanoid

2605
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,719
project is still asking for reports so

2606
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,719
if you have a sighting

2607
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,119
in the chicago land metro area or

2608
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,960
anywhere else from that matter please

2609
01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:38,320
contact me

2610
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:50,709
410-241-5974 hamful and lee is um

2611
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:53,280
he's the farm property owner

2612
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:57,280
along the infamous ray road in south

2613
01:38:02,709 --> 01:37:59,199
central wisconsin

2614
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:02,719
he has had several experiences involving

2615
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:05,600
the cryptid k9

2616
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,239
over the years and he will join us to

2617
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,880
detail the phenomena so should be a very

2618
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,800
interesting show

2619
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:13,600
so

2620
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:16,880
until next week stay healthy have a safe